WebDr Jordan Grant and Gil T talk about Post Finasteride Syndrome Recovery (PFS recovery). two months back to life after being dead for six years. Lol, now they banned me, just look at the reason: Dismissive of survey in first few posts; insistently advocated for dangerous and misleading article on PFS. His article with all the studies hes referencing: Post Finasteride Syndrome can be manually corrected by interpreting blood work and implementing an appropriate lifestyle and/or pharmacological protocol. Mehta A, et al. decreased libido * (sex drive) erectile dysfunction *. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Post-finasteride syndrome (PFS) is defined as a syndrome with symptoms that can include erectile dysfunction (ED), decreased libido, fatigue, penile and scrotal atrophy and numbness, gynecomastia, muscle atrophy, anxiety, blunted affect, and emotional sensitivity in patients who have taken 5-reductase inhibitors such as finasteride or .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} To give you a bit of background, I'm a 34 year old male whose sexual function was utterly destroyed by finasteride/Propecia. Fertility and Sterility. In such cases, treatment depends on the underlying cause. Im glad I did. I took a step back and said forget about PFS with these blood tests and these symptoms, whats the normal course of action? What's the best treatment to use to try to get my partner pregnant? This report will provide you with the information you need to understand the current controversies, avoid common pitfalls, and work with your doctor to make informed choices about your prostate health. Mod also deleted my second post where I said he indeed has affiliate links to herbs but doesnt even believe that will be enough for pfs patients, the real cure is proviron. This site needs JavaScript to work properly. Before (photo). My hair loss is back full force, but so is my libido and so are my erections. I did this for 6 months straight but at the 10th week or so, the improvements were weekly. The common denominator in how I feel is Tribulus, period, end of sentence. Took finasteride for 5 months. Maybe if theyre lucky in 10 years. Bookshelf -, Alkahtane A.A., Albasher G., Al-Sultan N.K., Alqahtani W.S., Alarifi S., Almeer R.S., Alghamdi J., Ali D., Alahmari A., Alkahtani S. Long-term treatment with finasteride induces apoptosis and pathological changes in female mice. Here's some information to help you get ready for your appointment, and what to expect from your doctor. It is available as a generic. Do you ever ejaculate semen when you have an orgasm, or do you have a dry orgasm every time? I had all the classic symptoms. As a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor, finasteride works by inhibiting the effects of the enzyme thats responsible for converting testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). PDF | Finasteride was patented in 1984 and approved for medical use in 1992. Their attitude is 100% there is no cure, it wont get better, nothing works, anything that does work doesnt work long term, and thats just how it is. Indian J Plast Surg. I felt fine while taking it but it gave me gyno so I stopped. To diagnose retrograde ejaculation, your doctor may: If you have dry orgasms, but your doctor doesn't find semen in your bladder, you might have a problem with semen production. http://www.resolve.org/about-infertility/what-is-infertility/frequently-asked-questions-about-infertility.html. These hippocampal neurogenesis changes after finasteride treatment have been linked to emotional behavior and this might contribute to the pathophysiology of affective disorders in humans. And youre competely right, they make it sound like youre doomed and you shouldnt try anything but wait for the Baylor study and fill out the surveyDo they really expect some magical cure to come out when Baylor releases or their survey has enough participants? I feel deeply for all my balding brothers out there who are suffering from this poison. For details, see text. Your doctor will ask you to empty your bladder, masturbate to climax and then provide a urine sample for laboratory analysis. WebPost finasteride syndrome is real. I am not aware or scientific evidence that back this up at this time. Psychopharmacology (Berlin) 2014;231:35693580. The article stated proviron was the best potential cure in his opinion. https://old.reddit.com/r/FinasterideSyndrome/comments/psjeuu/could_trying_finasteride_for_1_month_be_harmfull/he38hlf/. Exp. I read about the Post-Fin Syndrome and decided to quit (Almost) No erections, no libido. PLUS, the latest news on medical advances and breakthroughs from Harvard Medical School experts. The problem is that most docs prescribe it at excessively high levels (5 mg/day). Energy-boosting coffee alternatives: What to know. Plus, get a FREE copy of the Best Diets for Cognitive Fitness. I have not made any drastic life changes since beginning this. Wider recognition of PFS symptoms, its incidence, course, prevention, and treatment possibilities will allow the indications for drug use to be reconsidered and treatment to be more personalized. I read the thing on Healthline where it says it doesn't raise testosterone in humans. 2015;104:107. For what it's worth, here's a couple similar success stories involving numbness, but from PSSD instead of PFS: Testosterone along with initial estrogen management , completely cured my pssd, everything from numbness, to hard on quality , no morning wood, to actually having sexual desires again. Of course there are some people with severe pfs but even then just wait is shit advice. Best, Dr. Emer. Ive been doing this for over 2 years and have ZERO sexual side effects from the drug. WebHow to Correct Post Finasteride Syndrome Minimize Stressors. https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/my-story-yes-it-was-messy-and-yes-i-am-fine-now/5456. Studies show it can help slow or reverse the process of hair loss. Depending on the likely cause of your dry orgasms and whether you need evaluation and treatment to help you get your female partner pregnant, you might need to see a urinary and reproductive specialist (urologist). After a few days I starting liking women again and became sexually from frustrated. 2008;35:211. Don't listen to bad doctors who tell you its all in your head. Brain Res Bull. And yeah I know hackstasis, looks to be a much better community and forum than propeciahelp without fascist mods. Check out these best-sellers and special offers on books and newsletters from Mayo Clinic Press. -, Baas W.R., Butcher M.J., Lwin A., Holland B., Herberts M., Clemons J., Delfino K., Althof S., Kohler T.S., McVary K.T. I have the desire for sex and intimacy but my brain simply wont communicate with my penis when its time for intercourse. No interest in sex at all. PMC I haven't had that sort of performance since I was 19 or 20 years old. Why not save the other half for your next dose? What is likely causing my symptoms or condition? Pornography usually has to be in the picture but there are RARE times when I get a spontaneous boner I can play with that will stick around and I can achieve orgasm with or without pornography. ._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa{margin-top:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._3EpRuHW1VpLFcj-lugsvP_{color:inherit}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa svg._31U86fGhtxsxdGmOUf3KOM{color:inherit;fill:inherit;padding-right:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._2mk9m3mkUAeEGtGQLNCVsJ{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;color:inherit} Please visit the wiki for published research, symptoms, and more. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Endocrinol. At higher doses, finasteride (Proscar) can also treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{margin-top:12px}._136QdRzXkGKNtSQ-h1fUru{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:8px 0;width:100%}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_,._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor)} If your doctor suspects your dry orgasm is something other than retrograde ejaculation, you might need further tests or a referral to a specialist to find the cause. Accessed Sept. 15, 2016. It looked like it had been around the world a few times. WebI cannot say enough about this. Post Finasteride Syndrome can be manually corrected by interpreting blood work and implementing an appropriate lifestyle and/or pharmacological protocol. Therefore, understand that I can't promise this will work for youbut for me? Taking a vitamin D supplement or getting moderate sun exposure on a daily basis could be helpful in restoring your bodys vitamin D levels. People with post finasteride syndrome can have increased food sensitivities, extreme mood swings, and low energy levels. I'm not a gym rat, I just make sure to walk 3-5 miles a day and do my best to watch what I eat (that's always been the case.) AR: androgen receptor; CSF: cerebrospinal fluid; MRI: magnetic resonance imaging; SRD5A2: 5 alpha reductase type 2 gene. Amedical opinion on this procedure would be important, because we do not have scientific evidence about HCG and PFS, but it would already be a start. I took 2 capsules before my daily workout at around 6pm and another 4 capsules 20 minutes before bedtime. The number of men sharing their experience of Post-Finasteride Syndrome is steadily rising, painting a bleak picture of the life-shattering effects the drug can have. .c_dVyWK3BXRxSN3ULLJ_t{border-radius:4px 4px 0 0;height:34px;left:0;position:absolute;right:0;top:0}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:start;justify-content:flex-start;margin-top:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._33jgwegeMTJ-FJaaHMeOjV{border-radius:9001px;height:32px;width:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._1wQQNkVR4qNpQCzA19X4B6{height:16px;margin-left:8px;width:200px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:12px 0}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._29TSdL_ZMpyzfQ_bfdcBSc{-ms-flex:1;flex:1}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx .JEV9fXVlt_7DgH-zLepBH{height:18px;width:50px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._3YCOmnWpGeRBW_Psd5WMPR{height:12px;margin-top:4px;width:60px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN{height:18px;margin-bottom:4px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2E9u5XvlGwlpnzki78vasG{width:230px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN.fDElwzn43eJToKzSCkejE{width:100%}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2kNB7LAYYqYdyS85f8pqfi{width:250px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._1XmngqAPKZO_1lDBwcQrR7{width:120px}._3XbVvl-zJDbcDeEdSgxV4_{border-radius:4px;height:32px;margin-top:16px;width:100%}._2hgXdc8jVQaXYAXvnqEyED{animation:_3XkHjK4wMgxtjzC1TvoXrb 1.5s ease infinite;background:linear-gradient(90deg,var(--newCommunityTheme-field),var(--newCommunityTheme-inactive),var(--newCommunityTheme-field));background-size:200%}._1KWSZXqSM_BLhBzkPyJFGR{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBackgroundColor);border-radius:4px;padding:12px;position:relative;width:auto} The results have been amazing and far too great to chalk it up to just being a placebo. I am 100% reversed Keep in mind if I miss a dose or stop my protocol Pfs comes back full force. Epub 2013 Jul 24. Hcg I did 3000iu the first day then 250iu every other day for the four weeks. WebIn addition to the sexual, mental and physical side effects, PK suffers from miscellaneous issues connected with PFS. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} My personal experience is that finasteride is an important medication for older guys on TRT that are experiencing BPH. Fertility and Sterility. Incredible! If you have retrograde ejaculation, you'll likely need treatment to get your female partner pregnant. Gained 25 pounds of mostly muscle. ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} Midodrine, a medicine that constricts blood vessels. Ive personally recovered from pfs but what worked for me may not work for you as each of our bodies react differently to this condition depending on individuals factors. This procedure is usually done at the doctor's office. Res. Should I be concerned? These anecdotes report success using steroids or ancillaries. reading time: 43 Brain fog. That fog, that mental barrier that kept me feeling a distance from myself had totally lifted. When dosed properly, it can bring DHT within normal ranges very effectively. This after having PFS constantly for 11 years. Im only able to maintain arousal under very peculiar circumstances, and even thats not the level of hardness Im used to having pre-fin. These include: Prostate pain Persistent fatigue, exhaustion Stomach pains and digestive problems Constipation Blurry vision Propecia is the Biggest Regret of my Life Taking Propecia is the biggest regret of my life, PK said. In some cases, sperm can be recovered from the bladder, processed in the laboratory and used to inseminate your partner (intrauterine insemination). On a sidenote i've seen a few other people recover the same way. I could stand to lose about 30 pounds. Accessibility The site is secure. Mild side effects that have been reported with finasteride include: ejaculation problems. 2019;38:762774. doi: 10.1177/0960327119842195. I'm not going to go into the entire history of what post finasteride syndrome is, and I assume many of you looking into buying Tribulus know exactly what it is. Your doctor will want to determine whether your dry orgasms are retrograde ejaculation or linked to another problem that may need further evaluation. After stopping, I got ED, extreme fatigue, brain fog, no libido and lethargy. When you are on TRT, your DHT levels tend to go out of the normal range and finasteride is a mechanism for bringing it back into range. Crazy, but true! Will my partner and I likely need to use assisted reproductive technology, such as intrauterine insemination, to achieve pregnancy? Finasteride (Propecia) is a medication that can help treat MPB by lowering levels of DHT. While they're often an effective treatment for retrograde ejaculation, medications can cause side effects or adverse reactions with other medications. Traish AM, Melcangi RC, Bortolato M, Garcia-Segura LM, Zitzmann M. Rev Endocr Metab Disord. Especially at an Early Age Like in Their 20s? And quite frankly, if you think big pharma doesn't have millions and millions of dollars wrapped up in trying to cover up just how severely finasteride has destroyed mens' lives, you're fooling yourself. Inability to concentrate. Thats probably the worst part if you only read that forum youre pretty much going to feel hopeless. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} This is a summary of the protocol which I followed for 6 months which eventually cured me. Do tests to see pregnenolone, progesterone, testosterone, DHT, thyroid (TSH, total and free T4 and T3, rT3), estradiol, estrone-sulfate and cortisol (both blood and 24h saliva). Note that prior to this protocol I tried injectable Test enanthate, Masteron, proviron and hcg which made my condition even worse. I'm Just 18 and I'm Losing my Hair. ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} -, Baig M.S., Kolasa-Wolosiuk A., Pilutin A., Safranow K., Baranowska-Bosiacka I., Kabat-Koperska J., Wiszniewska B. Finasteride-induced inhibition of 5alpha-reductase type 2 could lead to kidney damage-animal, experimental study. Male pattern baldness develops when DHT binds to receptors in the scalp and causes the hair follicles to miniaturize. Answer: Hormonal optimization while on finesteride there are many options including peptides, and HCG as well as clomid/arimidex. rash. Your doctor might also do a physical exam that includes examining your penis, testicles and rectum. Ohl DA, et al. Nature Reviews Urology. Of course I said this in a respectable manner Result: post deleted and banned. Very controversial topic in this forum. Some people had to use anabolic steroids because herbs weren't strong enough. Metabolism of progesterone and testosterone, Metabolism of progesterone and testosterone into 5alpha-reduced metabolites and their mechanisms of action:, Clinical features reported in patients affected by post-finasteride syndrome. Its H.C.G (HCG) dosed at 250IU Monday, Wednesday and Friday only. For each day that goes by, I get a day of surplus inventory. Eliminate Trigger Foods. doi: 10.1016/j.urology.2018.06.022. Check his posts and look at the reasons. Jefferys A, et al. 2022 Apr;181:157-166. doi: 10.1016/j.brainresbull.2022.01.020. Do a physical exam, which will likely include an exam of your penis, testicles and rectum. Side effects of treatment with 5 alpha-reductase inhibitors in experimental models. BONUS! 2016;93:9. It can prevent hair loss and decrease prostate enlargement, but not surprisingly, it can also suppress sexual function. The steroidogenic inhibitor finasteride reverses pramipexole-induced alterations in probability discounting. Effect of 5-Reductase Inhibitors on Sexual Function: A Meta-Analysis and Systematic Review of Randomized Controlled Trials. I did three months on testosterone injections and muscle building. Archivio Istituzionale della Ricerca Unimi, NCI CPTC Antibody Characterization Program, Agis-Balboa R.C., Guidotti A., Pinna G. 5alpha-reductase type I expression is downregulated in the prefrontal cortex/Brodmann's area 9 (BA9) of depressed patients.
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