I might have read your post incorrectly but I live in occupied Ca and I have a Rossi 92 (1892 clone) and a Taurus 605 both in .38sp/.357. H&R and Savage both chambered the .357 Maximum in single-shot rifles or combo guns. At least you should expect the kind of quality youd get from a Remington bolt gun in the price range. by Hobie Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:35 am, Post That 2000 fps 357 mag load is 1100 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. or, H&R BARREL ONLY and $150 check or money order. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off, Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off. As most revolver . Thus sighted, 125 grain +p 38 special is spot on out to about 50 yards, maybe furtherbut havent tried it. And if even a Henry is a little rich for your blood, Rossi makes perfectly serviceable pistol-caliber levers that retail in the mid-$500s. Some hunters have decided to have single-shot rifles rechambered for the cartridge because it's very easy to handle when fired from a rifle. You can boost the Unique up to around 11-12 grains, as I recall, and your gun should handle it fine with that bullet. NEVER see one at any reasonable price at any LGS. In 1983, the .357 Remington Maximum was released as a joint project between Ruger and Remington. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/henry-big-boy-steel-357-magnum-38-special-lever-action-rifle. Rechamber to .357 Maximum or rethroat .357 Magnum factory chamber: Send the TC, CVA, ORHenry BARREL ONLY, and $125 check or money order, total including UPS shipping. rifle velocities, rifle bullets for the .35 Rem. The winchester representative claimed 2300 fps with a 150gr bullet out of a 20 inch barrel. 357 Magnum Lever Action - Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore My stance is that Lever action rifles are still very relevant in 2020, for all the reasons that people have stated. Features a rugged, stainless steel bolt with 90 bolt throw and rapid lock time for added accuracy. Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. . Caliber: .357 MAG/ .38 Special Capacity: 10+1 Barrel Length: 18 Barrel Type: Octagon Blued Steel Rate of Twist: 1:16 Overall Length: 35.5 Receiver Material: CaseHardened Steel Rear Sight: Buckhorn Front Sight: Blade Stock Material: Walnut Weight: 7.4 lbs. Its the truth about guns, not cooking. Cartridge is a mite better now than 3 years ago, IMO. Ive been at the range many times when people in adjacent lanes started talking about trigger quality and, when I let them fire that old 19, the response is usually just, wow. 357 Maximum, Everything You Need to Know! MGM Barrels TC - YouTube I like the combo. The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:01 pm, Post Until February of 2020 a person could get a lot of different cheap ( relatively) 38 Special and 357 target ammo. About the only .357 or .38 spl ammo available now is the pricey 30-bucks-for-a-box-of-20 defensive loads. Admittingly I was single then but it was relaxing! At that task, it has excelled for more than a century. 5 Great .357 Magnum Lever Action Rifles - The Truth About Guns Please try a new zip code and search again. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. bullets have proven to be the best of the revolver type bullets for all applications.. handgun and rifle. bullets in barrels around 20. It might not be a good reason but thats not what was asked. Reloading the 357 MAXIMUM. Discuss. - Mississippi Gun Owners With that said, should your fancy be tickled, here are five .357 Magnum lever action rifles to look for. The targets were heavy and had to be hit hard and in the right place. The action and trigger needed work, so that cost another $125 from my local Gunsmith in Oregon. The advantage I see to 357 max is you use 357 mag carbide reloading dies so it is easier to reload and no trimming. Caint answer Ur ? My findings are three of us used 357 mag out of 2 Rossi lever at 20 inch and one Marlin with 16.25 to hunt blacktails and elk. I have not seen a 357 max levergun but, I have a Marlin 336 that is chambered in 375 Supermag. Long loaded 357 Mag should still be accurate in the 360 and are great for fun shooting. .357 Magnum Rifle (Hodgdon Data) reloading data with 102 loads. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. 9mm brass-case FMJ is pushing .40 cents a round for the cheap stuff and I dont see the price dropping anytime soon. by bgmkithaca Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:55 am, Post Smooth as butter. We call all major brands, calibers, and gauges of ammunition for your firearms. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. Top 5 Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles In 2023 Reviews - TheGunZone The chronograph results show it is identical to the 35 Remington. CHECK FOR EXCESS PROTRUSION OF THE CASE FROM THE END OF THE BARREL BEFORE FIRING! to 200 gr. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. And yes the price has been driven up on them, in the used market in the last 10, 15 years or so, especially the ones with no factory additional safetys, other than the half cock position of the hammers, such as the older Winchester and Marlin 94s. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post I always attempt to stay in the mid range of the reload manual. Hot and spiced with nutmeg and cinnamon on a cold day kicks ass, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/56/4e/97564e38ab918eae2103ffa40b24f0c1.jpg. properly aligns and supports the shank of the bullet as it enters the rifling. The .357 Maximum was an effort to give you .357 Magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. Also, at higher velocities, the bullet is able to realize a flatter trajectory meaning longer shots are possible. Id bet the old timers that rode the wild and woolly west would have liked the magnum in a rifle. Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? Later, Dan Wesson Firearms made double-action revolvers, and Thompson/Center offered single-shot Contender pistol barrels. I can recall a conversation with John Taffin, a fellow gunwriter of deserved great reputation. No, the article actually shows period photos of guys wearing cross slings with clips on the end that attached to the rifle, so they could let it dangle by their legs. My lever is a Winchester in .45 Colt, for which you can not only reload, but you can reload pretty close to double the pressure of a handgun round, as long as you are using a modern rifle, and depending on the weight of the round. Also, after breaking it in, the Rossis action (which is the major criticism for this gun) was just as smooth as the Winchesters, Marlins and Henrys I have shot. But those new X models are very hard to get now. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. When the gun fired, it behaved like all revolvers in that the powder charge in those long chambers burned at a very high temperature. Rethroating, .357 Magnum barrels and rechambering to .357 Remington Maximum and Winchesters new .350 Legend. MSRP is $1,223, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, itll command less of a premium in-store. Frankly the quality was sinking fast before Remington bought them out, but they went straight off the cliff when they fired all the Marlin workers and took their worn out tooling and put their own Remington workers (with no experience building lever guns) on them. Also, the Contender comes in longer barrel lengths than the 7.5 and 10.5 inch barrels that Ruger made the Blackhawk with for the .357 Rem. Guns Rifles Harrington Richardson Rifles HARRINGTON RICHARDSON . Subscriber Services. Put the .357 Maximum Where It Works - Shooting Times A Dan Wesson revolver in that caliber based on the heavy duty Dan Wesson 44 Mag frame was offered. Although some may not find this particular gun relevant, I think there are lots of pluses. I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. All your beautiful $2,000 semi-auto rifles will be illegal, while excellent, used $500 Marlins will disappear from the market. Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. It is a smaller diameter bullet with a high velocity, which makes it penetrate well during hunting. You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. marcJ (author) from Mid-MO on July 21, 2015: After becoming accustomed to the cartridge and it's range of uses, I too couldn't believe it never caught on commercially. Risking twice that? It lacks a top-mounted rail (you can still install one, the receiver is pre-tapped). I was shocked when I found out. Item Number: 534259137. The 357 Max is generally considered to be less powerful that 35 Rem, but I don't know if you would see a difference in a 14" barrel. . The most common include: Ruger Blackhawk Dan Wesson Model 40 Buy 357 Maximum Brass Pistol Cases 95pcs Mixed Brass 357 Max: GunBroker is the largest seller of Reloading Supplies Ammunition Reloading All: 974082394. . The Big Boy Steel Carbine is competing for the top of my wish list I really like the color case hardened version. Lever action rifles are fun. I prefer flatnose or roundnose designs in this velocity range because they typically demonstrate better expansion than Spitzers at the same velocity. How do the modern .357 loads compare to the first repeaters? Browning should build a plant in Utah and make them there, as they own the rights to Winchester now. My Name. The more the merrier. Marlin changed the sliding top strap to a sliding sidewall, therefore making the rifle side-ejecting. Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. Roger super Redhawks and Henry big boy , both in .44mag. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. Now its the way it should have been from the factory. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. And as far as lever action rifles in pistol calibersthey have never been irrelevant over their 150 year history. lever gun that I own and have ever shot, easy on the arms and has some versatility. The .35 Remington case is basically a .308 Winchester (but slightly narrower and shorter) with a .358" diameter bullet stuffed into it. Gun Genius. Most of all it shoots the same ammo as a number of revolvers I have and reload for. You are using an out of date browser. 357 maximum - Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com The .357 Atomic was just a .357 loaded to higher than standard pressures. I would add Chiappa Alaskan in .357 Magnum to the mix. Another Marlin not to miss is the Model 1894 CST, which features a black pistol grip stock and stainless finish. No Tags. Having fired several different types and CARRIED them in the Military, I much prefer the simple and traditional bolt-actions, levers and semi-autos that American hunters have carried for generations. Caveat Emptor. Click the link to go to the Contact page: If you choose to remove the forend, contact me first so you don't lose parts removing the forend! I know both of these are on the cheap side but the fun my kids and I have when we bring this to the range is priceless. With todays rail-mounted optics, that makes the 1894 CSBL tactical and practical, with the addition of an XS Sights Lever Rail and sight set. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! Max. Go to GB or GI and find yourself a Browning B-92 in .357. Rechamber to .350 Legend from .357 Magnum or .357 Maximum: Add $25 to mill/convert the extractor for the rebated rimless .350 Legendcase rim. .30-30 is just a little unpleasant in it due to the light weight and stock. of AA-1680 give top velocities and energies for shots upwards of 250 yards or more with 180 gr bullets from 24 barrels. That all depends on the powder youre burning. Some additional info on Fury Bullets, Detroit, MI. .357 Maximum when loaded down in a rifle length barrel is almost like shooting an air rifle. The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. This cartridge began the " Magnum era" of handgun ammunition. But the most painful thing is buying ammo for it. It appears to be a rimless 357 Maximum. If I absolutely had to ditch all my guns and go with a single handgun + single rifle, this would be my choice. by Rusty Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:22 pm, Post The furniture is high grade walnut, and the Deluxe Sporting model also features a 24-inch half octagon barrel and half rounded. new No sales CA - NY - know your state laws! I bought a used Marlin 94c 357 in June, 2020 for $600, in 98% condition. The rifle shot better after reaming that it did before. In May I went to Utah and took my brother, his son, and a handful of their friends out shooting. If you want to shoot .357 Magnum and .38 Special ammo, just long throat the factory chamber! New in the Box. It has a lot going for it: you can drive a 125 grain JHP .38 to .357 handgun velocities, its 16 barrel is just as handy as an AR, you can reload on the fly like a shotgun, its legal in all 50 states, not frightening to non-POTG, and is simple to operate. In short order, there was a Ruger Blackhawk Maximum and ammo to go with it.Ruger was not the only party on the Maximum bandwagon. There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. For them a pistol caliber Lever carbine makes a lot of sense. Hornady XTP 158 gr. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. of Israeli Defense Forces, joins David Fortier for an exclusive interview for Shotgun News. Get your barrels customized early for next season! You can shoot 357 Mags through it. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on November 23, 2019: I spoke to a gunsmith about rebarreling a Ruger #3 falling block (single shot) to .357 Maximum and he was appalled, commenting "You'll never be able to resell it! It brings the 38+p up to mid-range 357 revolver ballistics (~1250). It fails to cause antis to have uncontrollable, explosive decompression of the space inside the colon? Since this is a single-shot firearm, there is no potential for flame cutting, and the true potential of this cartridge is realized. Even my Walmart has 30-30 ammo now. The 1873 was one of the most popular lever action rifles of all time. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. 1830 fps 100 yds 1427 fps 200 yds 1138 fps 158 gr. The other was H-110 powder which never achieved what I thought was accurate. Nice single shot rifle. Factory throats are more like a forcing cone, done to keep pressures down, does zero for accuracy. Backorder OK. Slip Top 50 Smoke Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. It's failure as a commercial load does not reflect poorly on it's performance, as it has become increasingly popular for handgun hunters and silhouette shooters alike. Or if you are willing to pay $1500-1,750 you get a Mikoru Japan made Winchester 92 Takedown rifle. Remington introduced the .357 Maximum cartridge in 1983 to considerable fanfare from the shooting press. by elmo123 Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:11 pm, Post I wouldnt turn up my nose at either. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 357 Magnum Ammo for Sale Up to 24% Off - OpticsPlanet Item Number: 534196137. It can shoot 38 special 357 magnum and 357 maximum. $2.92. No such thing as a perfect caliber, but .357 magnum and its sister the .357sig is about as close as one can get. Most 350 Legend bullets have a higher sectional density which means more penetration than the .357 Magnum. MGM's .357 Maximum chamber has an excellent .358" diameter cylindrical throat, stepped down to .357" far, far superior to factory forcing cone chambers, and very similar to my throating. Max. Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. My Marlin feeds .38 Special just fine but has a tendency to hang up on .357 Mag rounds (no matter the bullet type, it seems to be an OAL issue.). Included with the barrel is a stainless steel MGM scope base and stainless steel Burris Z Rings. In addition to the 180-grain bullet, Speer makes a 220-grain FN that will exceed 1,500 fps in a 14-inch Contender, and Hornady and Sierra both make 200-grain RN versions that should reach 1,600 to 1,650 fps. 1. I was looking for a 357 trapper at Dons gun in Indy in the early 90s. No joke. The problem with rebarreling a Ruger No 1 or 3 is not the round, it it locating a gunsmith capable of dealing with a Ruger single shot action. The .357 Maximum was initially chambered in the Ruger Blackhawk in 1983 and was for a time adopted by other handgun manufactures. Sounds like Remington/Marlin customer service and repair has gone straight to hell. Being a straight walled cartridge, its a snap. Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. Its a great shooter, almost no recoil with any .357 or .38 load and it looks good hanging on my wall. I have one, and they are very nice, but spendy, and very hard to come by. Theyre quick-handling (crazy quick), theyre accurate, and theyve got the power to take down medium-sized game out to 150 yards with the right ammo and careful rangefinding. And if you do it right, .38 Special or .357 Mag is an incredibly cheap round to reload, with brass that lasts forever and makes a fine alternative to .22LR when plinking ammo is hard to find. I would think it would beat the .357 Maximum, honestly. Savage 24V Series D 357 Rem Max / 20GA - Other Rifles at GunBroker.com I use regular .38 Special/.357 Magnum dies to load my .357 Maximum ammo. Less than 100 days away now. Seems like whenever Ive had the funds, none have been available, and when Im broke, there everywhere. Extremely accurate, small groupsit reminds me why I got into shooting in the first place. The large loop makes solid sense for colder climates like the plains states and Alaska. using H4227 and H110. From what I hear the Henry trigger is better though. As to market, a very subjective matter. Wear issues in revolvers appeared early. (I bought a Glenfield 30A at a gunshow for $200 about 5 years ago. If its an American classic you want, the Winchester Model 1892 Carbine is about as classic as it gets. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:56 pm, Post Max., Those who own firearms in this chambering load their own custom ammunition. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. Designed to increase the range and pattern density of your favorite turkey gun. Christmas is coming. A heavily worn gun that had been drilled vertically thru the buttstock, the barrel, magazine tube and lag-bolted across beams in the ceiling of some bar in northern Arizona. by groschen1936 Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:49 pm, Post Here are the features to watch out for. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Have you tried hand-loading and experimenting with overall length? Til inauguration day and beyond, demand will likely increase. Try it you won't regret it. Per ballistics charts, and generally speaking due to all the variables from different cartridge loads, a .357 Mag out of a carbine rifle barrel approaches the muzzle velocity and energy of a .44 Mag from a handgun. If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. .357 Magnum Rifles That Make Great Brush Guns - Wide Open Spaces It may not display this or other websites correctly. Comes with original Colt wood and rubber grips Sig Sauer P2340 .357 caliber with a 4in. 357 max has one of the best resale records out there. Custom craftsmanship applied to streamlined CNC manufacturing processes. Getting old aint easy. . The powerful Ruger 77/357 is chambered in .357 Mag. When I lived in the mountains caretaking a state property, soon learned the first day of hunting season would see the deer herd moving onto the property, bedding down behind the residence and the snow plow shed. soft . In Stock. The first loads I worked up were with Speers 0.358-inch 180-grain FNSP intended for the .35 Remington. Rifle Brass; Rifles; Specialty Long Range; Sub-Caliber Products (.17, .14, .12, & .10 caliber) Cartridge Board Displays; Shotgun ; Firearms; Featured Item.14 Ackley . by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Most 158-grain and lighter bullets usually lack the jacket thickness for use on big game in a Contender. 45-70. Found a gunsmith who examined it, he got it working again. Moku Manu, Hawai'i. Jun 17, 2016. Expect this one to make a comeback, like the 10mm. Maybe some lighter .30-30 loads would be better, but .357 would be so good. Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. I told them if they were so worried about reloading they can have my brass. It shoots deadly accurate and has amazingly smooth trigger action. This is the showpiece among Winchesters 1873 model range, and it had better be with a price tag at around $1,800. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm, Post Bingo. The Alaskan combines tradition wit NO Credit Card Fees Like the Other Guys!! Worried about scratching that brass? 38 wad cutters and 357 mag, I have a 357 maximum but I dont reload can I buy a box. Available with matte finish on steel frames and a highly polished finish on hardened brass frames, these elegantly simple rifles feature 22" round barrels, fully adjustable folding leaf rear sight and brass bead front sights we use on the lever actions, a drilled and tapped provision for optional scope use, walnut front and rear furniture, a All You Need to Know About the .357 Remington Maximum Lots of these 'oddball' wildcats and so on can be found on, http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/2 rguns.html, http://drcfirearmsoutdoors.businesscata tion-rifle, http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw y_2012.pdf, It is currently Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:00 am. With straight-walled cartridges, you dont need a dedicated space. I have the Winchester 1892 pictured above. Apparently it was a regular thing. Seldom has any new gun/ new cartridge combination failed so quickly.Ruger's long-framed Blackhawk was first to market in two barrel lengths. NEF 357 Mag camo syn stocks with camo Nikon scope H&R 490 Topper Jr 20 ga, barrel cut to 21.5" threaded to Rem Chokes. Modern black rifles offer options older firearms cant compete with. Full rechamber to .357 MAXimum or .350 Legend for energy levels on par with .300 Savage or moderate .308 Winchester loads and a bonafide 250 yard rifle. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. Trying to understand why the only conclusion I can draw is that people think them as old-fashioned and slow. Due to the additional costs of internet sales, shipping, etc., our internet pricing may vary from our In-Store price. . They should come from the factory that way. Yes, they can, of course, be fired farther, but the design, mass and speed of the bullets are what really determine effective range. I now have the Ruger gp100-7. A couple of people got that familiar look in their eyes and started plotting their next purchase right there. 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