WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. Many of these are down right untruthful . I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. WebGetting to it. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. No, thats silly! If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. 20. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! 4,2, and 7 month old. Some true, some not so much. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. 46. 5. G.F.F. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. 23. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years Scofield Bible!!!! Does the lord convict me when I miss? Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. 5. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Apart from Him we can do nothing. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. We told to get married. I had my part. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Wow. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Praise the lord for giving it to us. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. 2. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? 3. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. I know the answers now. If I have misunderstood I apologize. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. Heartland Baptist Bible College Its NOT ABOUT US! So I did. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. The membership We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Care to elaborate, provide examples? If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. 48. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. Good point Steve! Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. Some of these doctrines are as listed. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. 49. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. Its my calling and my ministry. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. Thats not unique to the IFB. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. 38. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. Abortion is murder. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. Gospel Furthering Fellowship For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). I have read other versions of the Bible. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. All rights reserved. Romans 5:8 17. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. The New Testament church should be an independent church. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. Jesus does that. Wherever there are people, there is sin. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. I was sincerely disappointed. Laws Hypocrites! 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. Great job adding a bit of levity! Neither should control the other. ? They are counting on your service and tithe. Wow! The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. Independent Baptist - RationalWiki Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. We just look for a biblical church to go to. If you want a discussion ask for one. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. Independent Fundamental Baptist These are right on the money! It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. God Bless. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. I did learn a lot. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. THE LAST THINGS We even have TWO. Faith Bible Baptist Church's Bible Study Internet Links If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! 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Im not responsible for how its perceived. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. 50. Thanks for reading! To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. 9. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. That makes no sense. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist - Wikipedia All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. 30. For they dont practice what they teach. 44. 6. People can ask for clarification if they want. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Did you read it? We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me).