Just saying. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. I do. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. "I'm not sorry we were caught. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Jealousy was the motive. Conflicting versions. Thanks for contacting us. "The family has been very patient. This woman killed and is where she belongs! Patricia Said Guilty After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. A correction to the comment above. Patricia Owens, He was happy. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Patricia What a contrived case! He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. However, Said never called 911. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Great catch. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. Patty Hearst Patricia Nailed? guilty That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. (A good point. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Nope. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Both were deceased. Petition JUSTICE for Amina & Sarah Said: To interrogate Patricia What definition? Not sure why anyone is defending her. That poor child and that poor woman. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. Alex Murdaugh found guilty of killing wife, son Former Most-Wanted Fugitive Accused in 2008 Honor Killings of I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. who pointed guns at protesters plead A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. Beautifully said Cliff! This story has been shared 114,982 times. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. The real killer is Rorrer! ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. This article is little more than fiction. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. False. Patricia Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Theres speculation and theres lies period. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. She definitely did it. You are absolutely right. And NOBODY saw her at all? Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Patricia Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Book her. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! And Patricia wasnt all edges. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. They broke up in 1993. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. Although I would have liked it to be death! Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Am I missing something? She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. This is all BS.She did it. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Said (We didnt get into the specifics.). When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. Patricia Kopta Had Been Missing Since 1992. She Was Found in It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. You know whats interesting? Remembering Patricia Cole, former copy editor at NPR : NPR The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Shes being well taken care of.. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. Just one example. Thank you Kerry. The first rule of a murder is motive. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? It seems so, according to you. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Its barely visible in the picture. Still, no good leads materialized. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. Patricia Giddings pleads not guilty They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Pal stays true. Patricia Prue sentence: Life without parole They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Have you read the book? Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Walmart woe. Your email address will not be published. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Nope. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Patricia As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. It was just assumed to be crib death. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. It's been a long three years for them.". Patricia So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. She hadn't lived long enough.". Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. It was Patricias hair no question. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Great communicator. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. But none of those charges ever stuck. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Said The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. The case was eventually abandoned. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. Cold case: Rape kits from two women lead to arrest in 1979 South You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? "Yaser Said, you're a devil. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Murdering Mother Hidden Face of Honor Killing They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Patricia Rorrer: An Update My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed.